When matching against https://musicbrainz.org/release/a96c3428-bcbf-4f7b-942d-2c2d12d6cd06,
songkong is populating Album Artists, Composers and Conductors with the cyrillic versions of the artists’ names, not the English.
This is despite the “Romanise names” option bing checked in Format. What might be blocking it in this case?
It’s because you have just added this release to MusicBrainz so had to retrieve it from there instead of Albunack, when we get directly from MusicBrainz (which is a special case not the norm) then we don’t get quite as much data so we can’t support all options, but this case would be easy enough so raised https://jthink.atlassian.net/browse/SONGKONG-2889
FWIW this is what we use when we get direct form MusicBrainz https://musicbrainz.org/ws/2/release/a96c3428-bcbf-4f7b-942d-2c2d12d6cd06?inc=media+labels+recordings+release-groups+artist-credits+isrcs+artists+artist-rels+recording-rels+recording-level-rels
So release artist credit shows
<artist-credit>
<name-credit joinphrase=", ">
<name>Gennady Rozhdestvensky</name>
<artist id="90595f34-e23e-4d0c-97cd-7d69b66e0727" type="Person" type-id="b6e035f4-3ce9-331c-97df-83397230b0df">
<name>Геннадий Николаевич Рождественский</name>
<sort-name>Rozhdestvensky, Gennadi Nikolayevich</sort-name>
<country>RU</country>
<disambiguation>conductor</disambiguation>
</artist>
</name-credit>
<name-credit>
<artist id="c3aa140f-0121-43e5-b44d-39578c29f57a" type="Orchestra" type-id="a0b36c92-3eb1-3839-a4f9-4799823f54a5">
<name>Orchestre de Paris</name>
<sort-name>Orchestre de Paris</sort-name>
<country>FR</country>
</artist>
</name-credit>
</artist-credit>
Notice for the conductor for the artist the name is Геннадий Николаевич Рождественский there is no English/Latin name. There is one at artist credit though (Gennady Rozhdestvensky) - so as a workaround if you were to uncheck Use Standard Artist Name instead of Name On Cover it would use artist credit name rather than artist name and that should fix at least some of them, could you give that a try please.
Whereas when we get it directly from Albunack artists have a spoecial latin-name field derived from the aliases available for the artist that we use for Romanize Name
<artist id="90595f34-e23e-4d0c-97cd-7d69b66e0727" type="Person">
<name>Геннадий Николаевич Рождественский</name>
<sort-name>Rozhdestvensky, Gennady</sort-name>
<latin-name>Gennady Rozhdestvensky</latin-name>
</artist>
So if the release in not in Albunack but the artist is (which would be the usual case) we could get the artist from Albunack replacing the one provided by MusicBrainz, riased issue https://jthink.atlassian.net/browse/SONGKONG-2889
When I uncheck " Use standard Artist name instead of name displayed on cover" the “Album Artist” and Artist fields are modified to use the English versions of the names. Howevet the Conductor and Composer fields remain in Russian.
Yes because there is no artist credit for these relationships to use instead, I have now fixed issue for next release.
Hi. With 12.2.1 there is still a problem with the “Romanise Names” option. I have just uploaded some support files for
https://musicbrainz.org/release/5ce422e6-4a14-4961-8721-454621e38e67
Here, the ARTIST tags are still in cyrillic, despite MB using the English/Latin version.
I have looked at this and I cannot work out why it is setting Album Artist field okay but not Artist field, could you send me the the two music files please so i can test it locally.
Thanks worked it out, the issue is we were not converting relation artists only release/track and releasegroup artists. This can effect the Artist and Artists fields because we try to set Artist based on user Classical:Track Artist option making use of relations if possible instead of just the MusicBrainz Track Artist entity because they have a clearly defined role (e.g Conductor/Orchestra) instead of us having to guess - raised issue.
Fixed in SongKong 12.3 Screamadelica
Hi Paul. This is great. I have just confirmed that SK is now working well for most of my Russian composers and artists albums.
I have noticed that in a few cases it is still selecting the cyrillic version of the name of the work. I will set up support files for an example shortly. There was also one case where some additional track artists had duplicate credits, one romanised and the other in cyrillic. These were obscure russian singers and probably not in the classical artists list. Again, will check and let you know.
Hi, thanks I received the reports I think the issue maybe Discogs related but unsure, bit confusing.
It would help if you spell out to me exactly what is wrong in both Report 1 and Report 2 and provide me with the files so I can test locally.
Ah yes, I think you are correct about discogs, and it may have something to do with previously set metatata. I noticed that the Cryillic singer names were in the “Credits:” tag, which I believe is fetching from Discogs.
This does not appear to be reproducible. If I wipe all metadata except acoustids and rematch to “one album” to https://www.discogs.com/release/10455715 (without the explicit it finds an alternative version and the wrong cover art). After that the only tag in Cyrillic is “Label” and “credits”.
A subsequent “Fix Songs” corrects the label name to “Olympic”. [However it also decides the album is not classical and unsets IS_CLASSICAL (incorrectly).]
If instead I match to the Musicbrainz release https://musicbrainz.org/release/cc6b5a10-6499-49f5-9c89-e7a322830f4e, it does not find the discogs as well, and also sets IS_CLASSICAL to False.
I also notice that when wiping all metadata and starting again, that SongKong will fetch cover art from discogs but not MusicBrainz. Is this a known limitation?
So I’ll withdraw my original issue as not reproducible but I’m afraid add to others instead : the failure to determine IS_CLASSICAL and the failure to fetch cover art from discogs.
Can you upload the music files please.
I’m afraid I just found another instance where Fix Songs “corrects” English work names to Cyrillic - just sent support files, reproducible this time.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/hsf4m54x3sarp74u58nmv/AJkyfNlep-W-5yWtKcsCcJo?rlkey=fvtmkq1s66bblrk3bkn3ayy26&dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/fhgnf0vlrpgfv4rta3nib/AI8UgLCIGR6nmXIIowzaC6I?rlkey=zzy3q9i88v555eo1dn4qasu0m&dl=0
Ok. so the first bug is that when getting release direct from MusicBrainz for each track it was only getting the Recording Artist Credit not the Track Artist Credit, the knock on effect was this meant IsClassical checks such as
failed.
Additionally when we get direct from MusicBrainz we dont get the Works hierarchy because it requires too many queries, so other checks such as:
also failed
So that is why it wasn’t set as Classical, fixing the track artist credit issue fixes so it is now marked as Classical
This is only an issue when we have to retrieve release direct from MusicBrainz because not yet in Albunack
You are correct when retrieving release directly from MusicBrainz instead of Albunack it does not retrieve cover art, but it can be done I have raised https://jthink.atlassian.net/browse/SONGKONG-2928
Hi, are we talking about the Movement or the Work field?
If we can derive Movement from Title then we use that, if we cannot we use the linked MB Recording Work. Similarly, if we can derive Work from Title then we use that, if not we use MB Work (this is the Work that Mb Recording Work is part of)
So here are the Titles:
Capriccio espagnol, Op. 34: I. Alborada
Capriccio espagnol, Op. 34: II. Variazioni
Capriccio espagnol, Op. 34: III. Alborada
Capriccio espagnol, Op. 34: IV. Scena e canto gitano
Capriccio espagnol, Op. 34: V. Fandango asturiano
Overture “May Night”
Sadko, Op. 5
Suite “The Snow Maiden”: I. Introduction
Suite “The Snow Maiden”: II. Danse des oiseaux
Suite “The Snow Maiden”: III. Cortège
Suite “The Snow Maiden”: IV. Danse des bouffons
Suite “The Tale of Tsar Saltan”: I. Tsar’s Farewell and Departure
Suite “The Tale of Tsar Saltan”: II. Tsarina in a Barrel at Sea
Suite “The Tale of Tsar Saltan”: III. The Flight of the Bumble-bee
Suite “The Tale of Tsar Saltan”: IV. The Three Wonders
Suite “The Golden Cockerel”: I. Tsar Donon in his Palace
Suite “The Golden Cockerel”: II. Tsar Donon on Campaign
Suite “The Golden Cockerel”: III. Tsar Donon as Guest of the Queen of Shemakha
Suite “The Golden Cockerel”: IV. The Wedding and Lamentable End of Donon
Symphony No. 2, Op. 9 “Antar”: I. Largo - Allegro giocoso - Adagio - Largo - (Tempo I) - Allegretto vivace - Adagio - Allegretto vivace - Largo (Tempo I)
Symphony No. 2, Op. 9 “Antar”: II. Allegro - Molto allegro - Meno mosso, allargando - Allegro (Tempo I)
Symphony No. 2, Op. 9 “Antar”: III. Allegro risoluto alla marcia
Symphony No. 2, Op. 9 “Antar”: IV. Allegretto vivace - Andante amoroso - Animato assai - Tempo I
Russian Easter Festival Overture, Op. 36
and here are the values SongKong added to Movement
Alborada
Variazioni
Alborada
Scena e canto gitano
Fandango asturiano
Увертюра
Introduction
Danse des oiseaux
Cortège
Danse des bouffons
Tsar’s Farewell and Departure
Tsarina in a Barrel at Sea
The Flight of the Bumble-bee
The Three Wonders
Tsar Donon in his Palace
Tsar Donon on Campaign
Tsar Donon as Guest of the Queen of Shemakha
The Wedding and Lamentable End of Donon
Largo - Allegro giocoso - Adagio - Largo - (Tempo I) - Allegretto vivace - Adagio - Allegretto vivace - Largo (Tempo I)
Allegro - Molto allegro - Meno mosso, allargando - Allegro (Tempo I)
Allegro risoluto alla marcia
Allegretto vivace - Andante amoroso - Animato assai - Tempo I
Essentially we used the MusicBrainz Works Hierachy to work if a song is a movement of a work or just standalone work.
If It is a movement of work we add the Movement and Work fields (and there is also the Three Level Opera Works case). Is more complext than this but basically if the title looks like a movement and work we use this for the Movement and Work fields, if not possible we don’t use. If we can’t use we fall back to the MB Works titles. we don’t currently support Work Aliases but we already have an issue for that.
So for most tracks we could derive Movement and Work from title
But in the case of Overture “May Night”/Увертюра which itself is part of Майская ночь ( May Night , May Night) we didnt derive the work from title.
Now, Im not entirely clear why we couldnt use title Overture “May Night” as movement, it may be because its the only movement of that work on the release so I may be able to fix that.
In the case of Sadko, Op. 5 it is standalone Work so not a Movement so field is left blank
and here are the values SongKong added to Work
Каприччио на испанские темы, op. 34
Каприччио на испанские темы, op. 34
Каприччио на испанские темы, op. 34
Каприччио на испанские темы, op. 34
Каприччио на испанские темы, op. 34
Майская ночь
Sadko, op. 5
Suite from “The Snow Maiden”
Suite from “The Snow Maiden”
Suite from “The Snow Maiden”
Suite from “The Snow Maiden”
Musical Pictures from “The Tale of Tsar Saltan”, op. 57
Musical Pictures from “The Tale of Tsar Saltan”, op. 57
The Tale of Tsar Saltan: Act III
Musical Pictures from “The Tale of Tsar Saltan”, op. 57
Четыре музыкальных картины из оперы «Золотой петушок»
Четыре музыкальных картины из оперы «Золотой петушок»
Четыре музыкальных картины из оперы «Золотой петушок»
Четыре музыкальных картины из оперы «Золотой петушок»
Symphony no. 2 “Antar”, op. 9
Symphony no. 2 “Antar”, op. 9
Symphony no. 2 “Antar”, op. 9
Symphony no. 2 “Antar”, op. 9
Russian Easter Festival Overture, op. 36
Ah I forgot this issue
So because we could not derive work from title for all tracks we fall back to using MusicBrainz for all tracks for better consistency, since we couldnt derive work from for track 6 we didnt do for any.
So probably the ultimate solution is really adding support for Work Aliases
So for the first five the Mb Work is Каприччио на испанские темы, op. 34 and since we don’t yet support Work aliases that is what we have to use.
Whereas for tracks 8-11 the Work Suite from “The Snow Maiden is the title in MusicBrainz so there is no problem.
So if I disable the consistency fix then I get
Movement
Alborada
Variazioni
Alborada
Scena e canto gitano
Fandango asturiano
Увертюра
Introduction
Danse des oiseaux
Cortège
Danse des bouffons
Tsar’s Farewell and Departure
Tsarina in a Barrel at Sea
The Flight of the Bumble-bee
The Three Wonders
Tsar Donon in his Palace
Tsar Donon on Campaign
Tsar Donon as Guest of the Queen of Shemakha
The Wedding and Lamentable End of Donon
Largo - Allegro giocoso - Adagio - Largo - (Tempo I) - Allegretto vivace - Adagio - Allegretto vivace - Largo (Tempo I)
Allegro - Molto allegro - Meno mosso, allargando - Allegro (Tempo I)
Allegro risoluto alla marcia
Allegretto vivace - Andante amoroso - Animato assai - Tempo I
Work
Capriccio espagnol, Op. 34
Capriccio espagnol, Op. 34
Capriccio espagnol, Op. 34
Capriccio espagnol, Op. 34
Capriccio espagnol, Op. 34
Майская ночь
Sadko, op. 5
Suite “The Snow Maiden”
Suite “The Snow Maiden”
Suite “The Snow Maiden”
Suite “The Snow Maiden”
Suite “The Tale of Tsar Saltan”
Suite “The Tale of Tsar Saltan”
Suite “The Tale of Tsar Saltan”
Suite “The Tale of Tsar Saltan”
Suite “The Golden Cockerel”
Suite “The Golden Cockerel”
Suite “The Golden Cockerel”
Suite “The Golden Cockerel”
Symphony No. 2, Op. 9 “Antar”
Symphony No. 2, Op. 9 “Antar”
Symphony No. 2, Op. 9 “Antar”
Symphony No. 2, Op. 9 “Antar”
Russian Easter Festival Overture, op. 36
