“Submit MusicBrainz genre”, does it has any effect? Where are these data stored in MusicBrainz NGS?
"Submit MusicBrainz genre"
Yes, they are known as tags in Musicbrainz,see right hand side of http://musicbrainz.org/artist/48273af5-1433-4dfc-b0c1-c00495c09d0a
Are these Tags only for inserting the genre? If yes, why didn’t they use genre as heading?
And what genre Jaikoz selects (retrieves) in the tag? The first one in the list? The one with the maximum usage count?
Is there someone, who corrects the genres, because in your example (URL) the genre uk is nonsense.
Maybe I should ask some of these questions in the MusicBainz forum, but you’re more welcome to me.
Tags can actually be used for anything that is why they are called tags, like tags in the Flickr Photo website. But they are typically used as genres at track, release or release group level or to record nationality at artist level.
There is no one individual who manages them, the general logic is the most popular tags for a release are likely to be the best one. Jaikoz lets you specify what level you want to take tags from in Preferences: Musicbrainz : Format 2 and you can specify a blacklist (to prevent using those nationaility tags) in Preferences ; Remote Correct : Genres
Despite all this currently Discogs styles/genres are more useful than Musicbrainz tags.
Have you tried using irc and the Musicbrainz chat room, that is where Musicbrainz editors are most active and usually very helpful.
That’s what I thought about Tags. But if the Tag can be used for anything, how does Jaikoz distinguish between a Tag, which is a genre or another information?
It’s not if Jaikoz knows what to do with it, it what other programs can do with it. In some programs, you can use specific fields to display even though it has a different label.
But I don’t think Tags in Jaikoz are there because of MB Tags, I think it’s just a popular extra tag. Reading what Paul said above, it looks like Jaikoz will pull from Tags in MB for the Genre in Jaikoz, but not Tags. I actually don’t see anywhere in Jaikoz where will enter Tags (except manually). Looking at my stuff now, I don’t see where anything has been filled in Tags in ID3.
I just asked this same thing here a few days ago. I’m struggling with how to get genres and styles tagged and really wish I could find an allmusic scraper. Until a Styles field comes along, I’m thinking of using Tags for Styles.
To try and clarify, songs files contain a Genre field. Jaikoz can populate this field using Musicbrainz Tags, Discogs Genres and Discogs Styles, and you can eliminate unwanted values using the blacklist.
You can also automatically put Genres into the Grouping field, some users use the Grouping field as an additional way to group things, this field is commonly available in most programs (i.e iTunes)
Ive also added the Tags field to Jaikoz, this doesn’t get populated automatically it is just an additional field that you might useful for storing metadata and moving things around in the spreadsheet view.
Thanks for posting, I never heard this site before and it is very cool. I am a music lover and it really helps me a lot.
So Paul, what are the rules on tags having multiple values? Genre allows multi, but what about Mood, Occasion, Tags, or even Custom 1-5?
Just sticking with mp3s for simplicity sake, in ID3v24 you are allowed multiple values in most text fields, internally separated by a null character, this can also be done unofficially in IDv23. This has been implemented in Jaikoz for the fields where it would be useful:
Genre
Artists
MB Artist Id
MB Release Artist Id
MB Disc Id
This format is not that useful because except for Genre its not widely supported in players. But it made sense to use it for a new Artists field and associated fields due to changes in Musicbrainz NGS for Artist Credits.
Its not supported for the other fields you list, but typically you can store multiple fields just by seperating them with a comma
i.e MOOD = Sad, Happy
Flac/Vorbis Comment allow you to write the same paring twice so for example you might have
GENRE=Rock
GENRE=Goth
if you had two genres fields set, but if you entered Sad, Happy for Mood it would just be stored as
MOOD=Sad,Happy
Yeah, I deal strictly with MP3s. I’m currently preparing mainly for XBMC so I’ll see what that looks for, although I think it’s customizable as far as separation values go.