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New to Jaikoz, all my compilations are from year album released, how do I date song?

#1

Hi

I have tagged manually using iTunes on my Mac so far. However I found that iTunes doesn’t display all the tags, and found Jaikoz, which shows all the MP3 tags, so I can delete stuff I dont want.

However, when tagging my compilations albums, I have just been putting the year that the album was released (eg American Anthems recently released 2010), however a ot of songs on here are old, from all different years. How can I use Jaikoz to date them all with the actual year the song was released?

As I say I’ve been tagging all manually so far in iTunes, so unsure how to do this.

cheers

#2

By Selecting the ‘Prefer original albums to compilations’ Jaikoz will attempt to match your songs to their original albums rather then the compilation album, and if it succeeds you’ll have the value for the year field that you want BUT the songs other fields such as album name will also be changed.

There is no way to keep songs tagged to the Compilation but use the original release year.

#3

Ah that’s no good for me then, was hoping somehow could display the compilation album release year, and also the songs release date. I think iTunes only displays 1 year/date though.

Maybe I could manually find the year and put it the comment or something? What do other people do for this problem?

Cheers

#4

Nobody else has ever mentioned this as a problem.

If you go the ID3 Edit tab there are two other date fields you might be interested in (you’ll have to add them to the display they are not shown by default) called Release Time and Original Release Time, perhaps you could store the original release date in one of these, and perhaps it is visible as an extra field in Itunes

#5

Original Release Time in Jaikoz does not appear to show in iTunes.

“Release Time” in Jaikoz, however, is able to be displayed as a column in iTunes, which in iTunes is called “Release Date”.

My testing shows:

2005 entered in Jaikoz’s “Release Time” field will show up in iTunes’ “Release Date” field as: 1/1/05

Enter 2/4/05 in Jaikoz and it’ll show up as 4/2/05 in iTunes. This must be one of those “other side of the pond” issues.

#6

Thanks for the testing, I’m surprised that no one else has this arrangement, with the number of compilations it’s nice to know the original year of the song though (for me at least then!)

So this sounded great until again the dreaded date mix crops up. I take it even if with any preferences set to UK/British/UK it’s still the same?

Maybe me and you (and others) submit an iTunes bug/request email/report to ask if we can have this setting to what we want ie UK date format.

Cheers

#7

@MrMrMr
Why don’t you use Export and Import?

  1. Autocorrect with ‘Prefer original albums to compilations’ enabled
    1.1 Delete manually the columns MB Unique Id and MB Release Id
  2. Export
  3. Autocorrect but with ‘Prefer original albums to compilations’ disabled
  4. Export
  5. Then use Excel to compare this two .xls files to see which year is earlier and change the second exported .xls file to the earlier year.
  6. Import the second (changed) .xls-file

you can see my approach in the attached file (sorry in german)
and what I do with artist (.bas-file) and with the year (.bas-file).
(I don’t know, if you can use the .bas-files on the Mac, I use Windows)
It’s not what you whish to do, but you get the idea, how you can do it.
(If you do it this way, be prepared, the artwork columne is not exported and it will not overwritten in Jaikoz, if the xls-file, which is imported, has no artwork-columne. Take a look in the help-file of Jaikoz to see the restrictons for the genre-column etc.)

And this is from the Jaikoz-Help-file:
Before using Import make sure you have already loaded your songs into Jaikoz before you use Import because Import does not load songs into Jaikoz it matches against the filename of songs in Jaikoz and updates the metadata when it finds any matches. Import is none destructive, for example although it will only import the first genre if your song has additional genres these will be left untouched.

#8

If there is more interest, here is the Excel-Sheet with the bas-files included and a little userinterface for easy using.

To go to the programming:
Load _MP3 Collection.xls in Excel.
Click button ENDE
Alt+F11 will open the programming window
Look at Forms and Module

#9

Cool, thanks pips… this help…

#10

Where do I find this option?

I too desperately need to add the ID3 year tags my MP3 library, (all the others tags are unimportant so I don’t care if they are correct or not), but the important point is that my library consistes of just single MP3 files (Eg: thousands of tracks from the 1980s in a folder called ‘Eighties’) - they are not album collections.

So, the year needs to be the correct year of release for the track. All the software I have tried so far tags, for example, ‘Elton John - Goodbye Yellow Brick Road’ with a year in 2005/7 (selected from a random ‘Best Of’ or other compilation CD which includes that track).

I want it to be tagged 1973 - when the track was first released.

I think I know why this is happening: it’s because they are single tracks. I assume that if I was to also have all the other tracks of the original 1973 album, they would be grouped together and each track would be dated correctly.

Note: All my tracks are correctly named ‘Artiste Name - Song Title’.

Any help appreciated…

TB

#11

Are you trying the beta, if you just need the earliest year and dont need the compilation year as well this should work quite well for you.

Start Jaikoz
Check
Preferences/Remote Correct/Match/Prefer do not Match VA and Preferences/Remote Correct/Match/Prefer do not Match SA

Ensure Preferred Release Date is set to

Earliest Release Date

Now run Autocorrect, Jaikoz will only use compilations as last resort so for most tracks you should get the earliest (or at least earlish) release.

#12

I don’t have those options.

I only downloaded and installed it a short while ago so I’ll go back and see if there’s another version to download. I take it you are saying that I should have the beta version.

I’ve been reading other threads on here and a couple of them have mentioned options I can’t actually find, though I did eventually find the option mentioned earlier in this thread in the Remote Correct…Match section of preferences.

If I can get this working, I will happily pay for the full version - I’ve already bought other ‘recommended’ programs and had to get refunds because they didn’t actually do what the blurb said they do!

My biggest problem at the moment is that I’ve been on this for weeks now and tried practically every tagger you can think of. With each one you have to learn a new interface and start again from scratch and then scrap everything when it doesn’t work.

I’m rapidly approaching brain overload stage and ready to give up on software, do it all manually and create my own on-line music database which works with tracks instead of albums!

So, you can appreciate that I don’t fancy learning how to use any more ID3 tagging programs unless someone says “yes, this program will do what you want” before I waste any more time… and brain cells.

Your comments are therefore encouraging and I will invest some time trying to get it to do what I need, so fingers crossed! :slight_smile:

Thanks…

TenBaz

#13

[quote=TenBaz]I don’t have those options.
I only downloaded and installed it a short while ago so I’ll go back and see if there’s another version to download. I take it you are saying that I should have the beta version.
[/quote]

Yes, please use the beta (download links at the bottom of http://www.jthink.net/jaikoz/jsp/beta/start.jsp) OR wait a few days the new full release of Jaikoz will be released on Monday the 4th October at the latest.

#14

Lol! Too late - I’ve already installed and am using the beta version. :slight_smile:

The good news is that the results so far are much better than anything else I’ve used before.

I created a test folder of 130 1960s tracks (my main 60’s category folder contains thousands of MP3’s and I have getting on for 50 categories - some with a lot more MP3s than that).

The non-beta version scanned the 130 files and of the handful of files that resulted in the year tag being filled, no year was prior to 2005.

With the beta version I can at least now see a few 1960s dates, though not many. They are all chart hits from the 60s by the way - not obscure album tracks.

There are however a few anomalies which have thrown up a few questions - more related I think to settings - and the fact that I don’t yet really know what I’m doing.

I think they should be in a new thread though, instead of hijacking this one.

Thanks for the help so far…

TenBaz

#15

@TenBaz,
your’re not the only one, who has a music-collection in that order/amount and has the problem with the earliest release date.
Take a look in the Whishlist :?

#16

Did you check the non-compilation options that will make a big difference, if you could send me your support files using the Advanced/Create support Files option I can analyze your results for you.

#17

[quote=Alfg]@TenBaz,
your’re not the only one, who has a music-collection in that order/amount and has the problem with the earliest release date.
Take a look in the Whishlist :? [/quote]

Your case is a little different because you want to preserve the compilation grouping AND get the earliest release date, if you just want the earliest release date as in this case the beta should work quite well for you. having said that the enhancement we’ve discussed for Musicbrainz NGS should give even better results.

#18

I’ve already installed and am using the beta version. With the beta version I can at least now see a few 1960s dates, though not many.
They are all chart hits from the 60s by the way - not obscure album tracks. Thanks for the help so far… copied.