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MusicIP and Rare CDs (or "How Do I Add a MusicIP That Doesn't Exist?)

#1

I have a CD that was produced by a small group, no music label, no national or international distribution. When I ripped it, FreeDB had the basic info (cd title, artist, track titles, etc.).

In Jaikoz, I performed a Retrieve Acoustic ID not expecting any matches (but hoped).

Oddly enough, I got some matches. Now I have 3 out of 7 tracks with MusicIP ids and 4 tracks that have none. Nothing was in Music Brainz. I have scanned the insert and created album art. Entered all the relevent Info from the CD.

Now I would like to create MusicIP IDs for the 4 un-IP’ed tracks and post my info to MusicBrainz; I can’t see how to do this either in Jaikoz or by visiting the MusicIP site.

Any help would be greatly appreciated…

Michael

#2

Okay, when you do retrieve acoustic ids for a song one of three things can happen:

  1. You get a MusicIP id back from MusicIP
  2. You submit a new fingerprint to MusicIP, and within 24 hours MusicIP will have created a MusicIP Id which you can retrieve in Jaikoz by running retrive acoustic ids again.
  3. MusiciP was unable to anylyse the song for some reason.

So assuming you ran this yesterday first thing is run Retrieve Acoustic Ids again (it will skip over ones that already have an id) and see if you now have MusiciP ids for all songs. If you only just run it you’ll have to wait til tomorrow but the console log should tell you how Jaioz got on with those files.

Second step, are these songs already in Musicbrainz (but without MusicIP id) or are they not in Musicbrainz at all. Go the Musicbrainz site and search for the songs either directly or via the artist to find out, then if they are missing you can login to Musicbrainz and add the songs yourself.

Now once the songs exist in the Musicbrainz Database and the songs have puids in the MusiciIP database you can assign the Musicbrainz Unique Id and the Muscip IP id within Jaikoz either through the matching or if that doesn’t work by manually entering the ids. Then you can use Action/Remote Correct/Submit MusicIbrainz/Puid Pairs to associate these two things together and submit this to Musicbrainz.

Then from now on for you and everyone else, song details can be retrieved from Musicbrainz based on the MuscIP Id.

#3

Nice! Does this explanation exist in the docs and I didn’t find it?

Or might it be a good idea to save it somewhere? Very clear to the point explanation of all these things I was wondering.

Thank you!

Michael

#4

Nifty. I went back and indeed the MusicIPs filled in. I added the album in MusicBrainz as well. Apparently there is a delay while it is approved or something because I still don’t get it down when I try to update via MusicBrainz. Will try again tomorrow.

#5

Actually when you add a new release although its subject to voting and could be rejected its actually available immediately, so I think you might be doing something wrong.

What are you actually doing ?

#6

Well… I created this:

http://musicbrainz.org/release/2396e195-23e1-47d8-9edd-426eb3891142.html

And went so far as to put the artist MBID and release MBID into Jaikoz hoping that would glue things together.

#7

SO you put in ther MB Release Id into each of your songs, and then ran ‘Update Tags from Musicbrainz’ and it didnt match any of the ongs to a Musicbrainz Unique Id and related metadata info.

#8

OH! (slapping self on forehead)

I was hitting: Autocorrect Tags From MusicBrainz Server

When I hit: Update Tags From Existing MusicBrainz ID or Release ID

It worked perfectly.

The only thing I couldn’t figure out how to accomplish was where to put the album art. I scanned it from the CD cover, but when I poked around they seemed to need it to be hosted in some approved location and none seemed to be conducive to me going there and uploading a picture, so either I’m missing something obvious or it’s hard to make an album cover you have scanned avaliable.

#9

Oh, and after that worked, I did:

Submit MusicBrainz/PUID Pair to the MusicBrainz Server

Nifty.

One thought about that. It happened so fast I was unsure anything happened at all or that it worked. I had to go to the console tab and look at the log to see that it worked. I suppose that’s OK, but I’m thinking a happy dialog with

Submitted 8 MusicBrainz/MusicIP Pair Successfully!

                              [OK]

Might be clarifying. (or would that just be annoying to the non-novice?)

Michael

#10

As you say it does go in the console log:
Submitting 1 musicbrainz/musicip pairs
Feb 26, 2010 9:23:00 AM: INFO: Found 1 records containing musicbrainz/musicip identifiers, these have been submitted successfully to musicbrainz/musicip
Feb 26, 2010 9:23:00 AM: INFO: Completed submission of 1 pairs to musicbrainz/musicip

I can see your point, but I think it would be a bit annoying, because if a popop message came up either you would then have to click on it to cancel it OR if it went away on its own it will be displayed too short/long a time for some people.

People using the Submit MusicIP Id/Pairs tend to be the more advanced users anyway, for one thing you need to have a Musicbrainz account to use this feature so I don’t think this is much of an issue.

#11

I agree with Paul on this one.

Heck, I am supporting the request to remove the ding! so I can have one less confirmation :slight_smile: