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looking for tips - avoid singles

#1

i have a collection of a few thousand 80s and 90s mp3s that i gathered from misc sources back in the day. when i run them through jaikoz, many of them come back as singles or obscure compilations. i’m not a super audiophile, and i don’t really care if the 3:23 version of a song is from a hungarian single release. i want to know what MAIN album the song is from.

is there someway to avoid assigning songs as singles? is that a setting i have overlooked? one way to make this work in an algorithm is to avoid any release where the total track number is 5 or fewer, for example. another way is to avoid any release where the album name = song name (obviously there will be a few exceptions to this, but it will be 95% accurate in the long run).

one other question is - do any of these song databases store sales figures? in almost all cases, i want to assign the song to the best selling album, which will be the main US release album, instead of singles, compilations, soundtracks, internationals, etc. but maybe there is no access to this information.

thoughts? are there tips in the current software to find more “major albums” for those of us who don’t need to know the 17 different releases of our favorite 80s song?

thanks!

edit: i do have
Pref:MB:Automatch set to “do extra searches to find original releases”
Pref:Remote:Match set to “prefer do not match to compilations” x2
Pref:Remote:Match set to “earliest release date.” (to avoid greatest hits, etc)

i should also point out that my songs are all top-selling Billboard Top 40 songs, so these are not rare releases. from my count, ~800 of 3200 songs were matched to singles and not albums.

#2

So I’m assuming you have lots of songs, but in most cases you just have the singles instead of the complete albums. Jaikoz groups songs by the folder the songs are in or the release metadata so if you just have singles Jaikoz is correct to match to singles instead of releases because matching 1 song to a 2 song single release is generally a better match than a 10 song album release if you only have one song.

There is no option to disallow singles ( I will consider that) , but try
setting Preferences/Remote Correct/Match/Preferred Country of Release to United States and United Kingdom if not set already to (probably) favour the best selling version. There is no sales data in the database.

Also, you don’t have a massive collection so you could try using Remote Correct/Manual Correct from MusicBrainz to provide you with possible matches that you then select from

#3

thanks for the quick answer paul.

i think this is an opportunity for jaikoz to really shine. if people want to go album-by-album and select complete releases, there are many apps for that (and that’s all those apps can do).

what i (and many others i presume) are looking for is a folder of 5000 unorganized mp3s (not necessarily complete albums) that can be magically tagged by smart software. enter jaikoz.

#4

if i may, i’ll share an example of my confusion right now. i have the song “bad romance” by “lady gaga.” those are the only two tags filled in for meta-data.

if i check wiki, the very first sentence is: ““Bad Romance” is a song by American recording artist Lady Gaga. It was released as the lead single from her second major release The Fame Monster (2009).”

however, when i query MB for a manual match, i am attaching the screen shot of my choices. i mean how can the MAIN ALBUM not be listed? i have all of the settings that you and i have listed previously on this thread.

i feel i have to be missing something obvious, but i don’t know what. the only thing i can think of is that the album version is 4:54, and Jaikoz just doesn’t want to match a song that is 30 seconds shorter. i could understand that, but i wish i could override it (and I’ve seen similar issues despite no time mismatch). i noticed that Jaikoz/MB stores a release country and release type - i’d love to choose “US album” for every one of my mp3s. back in the day, wasn’t it possible to create your own weighing algorithm in Jaikoz? i’d weigh those two heavily.

thanks again paul,
chris

ps, i can’t seem to attach an image. i get a server error.

#5

[quote=zeiss]
what i (and many others i presume) are looking for is a folder of 5000 unorganized mp3s (not necessarily complete albums) that can be magically tagged by smart software. enter jaikoz. [/quote]
Yes and Jaikoz does that, but youre issue is you want it to always match to album rather than E.P/Single and I dont have that particular option.

#6

[quote=zeiss] the only thing i can think of is that the album version is 4:54, and Jaikoz just doesn’t want to match a song that is 30 seconds shorter.
[/quote]
Correct, there is a tolerance of 10 seconds for track duration. Whilst I can understand you may have a copy of a song from a single but you’d rather label it as a release and that seems perfectly reasonable when the song version is the same when it is clearly a different version of the song (as it must be if song is 30 secons different) it feels wrong for Autocorrect to actively match it to a song that it knows to be incorrect.

You can get round this by using Manual Correct from MusicBrainz or Match to Specified Release but Autocorrect will not allow this and I remain to be convinced that removing this check is a good thing.

Setting preferred Country to US will aid that, but it probable that some of the matches made by Jaikoz match to a non US album because there is no US album in Musicbrainz, and some of your songs may not actually be available on an original album.

I suggest you try this:
Run Autocorrect
Sort Songs by Release Type
Then run Manual Correct on the songs with a non-album release type and pick the best option from the list

Yes but it didn’t work that well when customers started modifying it , it was too simplistic so I dropped in a while ago.

[quote=zeiss]
ps, i can’t seem to attach an image. i get a server error.[/quote]
Yeah, some users have this problem other do not, but you can email me the screenshot to support@jthink.net

#7

Ive added a Prefer Albums to Singles/EPs option to next release, if enabled it will only match song to a single if unable to find a decent match to an album.