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Local correct edit pane metadata to iD3

#1

I’m noticing that a lot of songs are not writing iD3 metadata as part of the autocorrect/save process. The “Edit” pane writes as expected, but the iD3 tags do not auto-populate with the correct data. The iD3 pane has blank data or black lines through the data. I’m experiencing this with about 10% of my 45,000 song library, a mix of mp3s, mp4s and aiffs. I have preferences set to

-“Delete iD3 V1”
-“Always write tag to v23”
-“Default text” encoding: ISO-8859-1 (for both v23 and v24)
-“Text encoding” for v24: UTF-8
-“Save existing fields using these preferences” is checked

So my questions are:

-What do the black lines through the iD3 indicate?

-Is there a command to force copy the edit pane metadata to the iD3 data?

-There are many files that have the save icon next to them in the iD3 pane but not the Edit pane. It appears it’s trying to write the v23 tag but I’m not able to save. I’m assuming this is not normal behavior?

Thanks in advance!

#2

Black lines are shown for formats that do not use the ID3 format for storing metadata such as mp4s. Only Mp3, Aiff and Wav support ID3.

They are synced so if you edit the Artist field on the ID3 Edit tab the change will automatically be reflected in the Edit tab.

But there is not a one to one correspondance between Edit tab and ID3 Tab, some fields shown in the ID3 tab are not supported in the Edit tab so modifications made to these fields would have no effect on the Edit tab.

Use of the ID3tab is quite specialist, in normal usage I would advise just using the Edit tab.

#3

Thanks for the clarification.

For the .m4a files, they are all in AAC format downloaded from the iTunes store. I’d like to write iD3 data to them for multi-program compatibility. Can anyone share an AAC-mp3 conversion best-practices that avoids excessively lossy results?

#4

I apologize. In my earlier post I mentioned that the files in question included mp4s. This was actually a typo in that the files in question are primarily .m4a AAC files from the iTunes store.

#5

You want to convert them to mp3s ?

#6

I’m trying to get them to a state that I’m able to write iD3 information to. The songs in question do not update in iTunes after matching and saving in Jaikoz and Song Kong.

In the past few hours I’ve had success in committing the ID3s after these steps:

-converting AAC and AIFF to mp3 in iTunes
-in iTunes changing iD3 tag to “none”
-re-assigning the batch to iD3v23 in iTunes
-re-analyzing in Jaikoz
-saving in Jaikoz

I’m looking for an easier (and less lossy) solution to this process. In theory, shouldn’t I be able to write iD3 data to both AAC and AIFF? To put it in perspective I’m dealing with 5000 mis-behaving songs out of 45000, and of the remaining 40000 there are many AAC and AIFFs that match and write correctly.

#7

No you cant write ID3 to mp4s, if you do no application is going to be able to read it.

But ID3 is used for writing to AIFF

But I don’t understand why it is important to you to write the metadata in ID3 format, Jaikoz will write the metadata using the standard for the particular audio format.

#8

Jaikoz matches the files and saves them fine. For these particular files (~5000 m4a AACs and AIFFs) the saved data does not update in iTunes. Furthermore, if I close Jaikoz and re-import the same files, many of them show up with no metadata in the edit pane but metadata in the iD3 pane with the save icon next to them. A closer look reveals that many of them are iD3v2. Reanalyzing and saving them as iD3v23 brings all metadata back in Jaikoz, but the problem remains: not updating in iTunes and reverting back to no metadata and iD3v2 upon reloading in Jaikoz.

I can only suspect that these files have several versions of iD3 tags that refuse to change (I have “delete iD3v1” checked).

My proposed solution is to attempt to convert all iD3 tags to “none” in iTunes, then reconvert them to iD3v23. This only works if I convert them to mP3 first, opening up the ability to work with iD3 in iTunes. This is sub-optimal obviously as compression and loss will occur, but I am weighing this against not being able to locate any of the files due to their lack of metadata.

Alternatively, is there a feature within Jaikoz that can wipe all exisiting iD3 tags and re-encode them to a single v23 tag? I have not had success changing these particular files to v23 in the iD3 pane.

#9

Youve lost me because AFAIK Jaikoz does not show anything in the ID3Edit tab for AAC’s, so if you really are seeing that please send me a screenshot.