Artist is the Vocal provider or Music composer? Jaikoz evaluate

[sandeepkhanna]

Spending 10 years in trying to cleanup and manage my mp3 collection … I have tried all sorts of tools on Linux, Windows, Mac. Fairly, recently started evaluating the music fingerprinting and identification with MusicIP and MusicBrainz … I am evaulating Jaikoz after getting frustrated with other ones.

Most of the tools including Jaikoz do a poor job at:

1. Looking up the right Artist (this is not always the music composer/director !!)
2. Looking up Album Art from everywhere (Google, Amazon, anywhere, everywhere … its 21st century and this data is all over the web … just fetch and let the user decide which one to keep … TuneUp kinda does that)

Example:
Most Indian music is sung in duets or even has multiple artists. I noticed that the MusicBrainz site has the correct info in the “Vocals performed by” section, but sadly every other Tag editor including Jaikoz uses the Music composer as the song/track Artist!

Track details from Musicbrainz
http://musicbrainz.org/track/647e0d75-0e59-401d-a6c0-a21f01e29066.html

Same track from Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Dil-To-Pagal-Hai/dp/B001CXR4U8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1270391746&sr=1-1

I would expect the Artist to be the entries from “Vocals performed by” … for this track and not from the MusicBrainz Artist section.

Is it just me that is interpreting or mis-interpreting the meaning of ‘Artist’. The fact that I am willing to painstakingly work at and clean my music collection is that I want to be able to search by and listen to songs by certain singers/artists and even have a pretty view of my collection (Album Art)

Any suggestions?

I am a Linux user and have come very close to selecting Jaikoz but would like to learn more about its flexibility, adaptibility to my needs before I go with it.[b][u]

[paultaylor]

Most of the tools including Jaikoz do a poor job at:

1. Looking up the right Artist (this is not always the music composer/director !!)

Example:
Most Indian music is sung in duets or even has multiple artists. I noticed that the MusicBrainz site has the correct info in the “Vocals performed by” section, but sadly every other Tag editor including Jaikoz uses the Music composer as the song/track Artist!

I would expect the Artist to be the entries from “Vocals performed by” … for this track and not from the MusicBrainz Artist section.

I think you are incorrect here in that the Artist field should be the person who sang the song. Typically the artist should be the person/group whose name is on the album. They may/may not be the composer and they may/may not be the singer

To give the some general examples in other genres. Many House dance songs have a female vocalist singing the song , but they are not the ones who wrote the song and they are not the artist, typically only singing on one song on an album.

Conversely if a group was to release album including one cover version, they would still remain the artist for that song even though they didn’t compose it.

But the good news is Jaikoz does make use of some of these Musicbrainz advanced relationships, for example if there is a composed by relationship that is used to complete the composer field (not the artist field) , and it would be easy to use the ‘has vocal peformed by’ to fill in another field -I would just have to think about a field to put it in. You could then copy these downloaded values to the artist field if that is what you really wanted to do (perhaps by using the Prepend to Left option).

2. Looking up Album Art from everywhere (Google, Amazon, anywhere, everywhere … its 21st century and this data is all over the web … just fetch and let the user decide which one to keep … TuneUp kinda does that)

That is fine if you are just fixing one album but Jaikoz is designed so that you can correct thousands of songs, in which case selecting each one would be tiresome. However I am planning to improve the artwork retrieval, such as getting artwork from Discogs even if the Discogs release doesnt link to a the matching Musicbrainz track as is reuired at the moment.

Hope this helps

[sandeepkhanna]

Just purchased the Full license and have been succesfully doing Mass updates and saves so far …

There is also the “Album Artist” tag/field that is seemed to be used a lot by Banshee in Linux. Doesn’t this field make more sense as the “Album’s artist” being the individual/group or even “various artists”. And, let populate the Artist field with the “Vocals performed by” values from MusicBrainz.

[paultaylor]

Thankyou for purchasing Jaikoz

Not really, we do populate the album artist and artist. But given a various artist album the Album Artist would be set to Various Artist and the Artist field would be set to the artist credited for the song on the album which may/may not be the singer/performer as discussed before.